MEN OF VAGUE AGE AND RELIGION DO SOMETHING

"So should I be warning my daughters against Chinese chefs, or Gurkha soldiers, or perhaps Filipino computer students?"

Australian blogger and columnist Tim Blair regularly notes something interesting about news reporting of certain events. When it is a Muslim involved in some crime, usually the legacy media leaves out details that might lead one to believe they are Muslim. Men of no appearance, he calls them, and compares the police reports with the news reports. When the subjects are not Muslim-seeming, then their racial depiction is included.

The Times online has a different tactic. Take this story from England of a pair of men who took girls from orphanages then used alcohol and drugs to soften them up for sexual activity. Their actions were called "grooming" as the intent was to turn them into pliable hookers who then could be called upon by other men of indeterminate origin:

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

Both men pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to abduction, sexual activity with a child and the supply of a controlled drug.

The trial came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.

Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labeled racist.

[MP Ann Cryer] said: “The family and cultural norms of their community means they are expected to marry a first cousin or other relative back in a village in Mirapur or wherever the family comes from. Therefore, until that marriage is arranged they look out for sex.

“At the point in their lives when they are ready for this sort of activity, Asians cannot go to Asian girls because it would be a terrible breach of the honour of the community and their family to have sex with an Asian girl before marriage.” She said that the reason Asian men targeted very young white girls was because older white girls knew that a relationship with an Asian youth was unlikely to last as the community would seek an arranged marriage with someone from the Asian sub- continent. Police and groups campaigning to protect women insisted that the grooming of youngsters is not segregated along race lines, though there is concern at the attitudes of some young Asian men towards white girls.

Now Asian is a pretty broad term. In fact, it can be a bit misleading, because anyone from the vast continent of Asia is technically Asian, although in the United States it has been co opted by university types and activists to mean specifically those who were once called Oriental - Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and so on, specifically eastern Asia. This article is being so vague in its description of these "Asians" that they could be anyone east of the Caucasus mountains, which is an area of 17,212,000 square miles, stretching from western Russia to the tip of Kamchatka.

Commenters noticed this broad generality:

Yet another failure to really tackle a serious problem because of the prevaling political correctness in the UK with regard to race and islam. The problems of honour killings, the validity of asian/african medical qulaifications, and the low rate of economic participation by the muslim population is not being fully addressed.

There is even an element of political correctness in Ms Cryers statement - the problem of adverse male attitudes towards white women is not a predominately asian problem- but a muslim male problem. Buddists and Hindu's do not appear to have these attitudes.
-by Brian Roberts


I have never seen such insulting comments from a MP loaded to this extent with prejudice and lazy language.

In short, according to Ann Cryer, as an asian male, I am someone who is apparantly marries my first cousin or relative, is on the look out for sex and finally do not think much of white women.

Pathetic.
-by G Singh


There is something seriously wrong with a society that has been brought to this point by politicians where such vile criminals are sentenced to only 5 years and 8 months. And everyone knows that by law they will automatically serve only 2 years 6 months, if they are not freed earlier for lack of space, or simply do "community service".

Beyond decades of imprisonment, they should never be capable of an erection for the rest of their life!

As for the cowardly authorities afraid to act for fear of being labeled "racist", they should be stripped of their office for nonfeasance, and imprisoned for malfeasance.
-by Bob Edwards


As is so common nowadays, the whole Asian community gets tarnished by the activities of a few Muslim Pakistani men.

It is sloppy reporting as well as sloppy thinking by the MP that honest law abiding Indian and other Asians are lumped together with criminal Pakistani men.
-by P King


I would like to know why this article did not mention that the BNP [British National party] has been raising the issue of Asian grooming for rather longer than "womens groups" and Anne Cryer. The party has presented bundles of evidence to West Yorkshire Police on this disgusting activity, and been ignored.

In other words, it's more important to police to avoid stirring up more trouble with Moslems, and to avoid being called racist, than it is to protect vulnerable young English girls (the word "white" is unacceptable - are Moslems "brown").
-by John Standing

Quoting Ms. Cryer, "They ( asian men) do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls."

The issue is not whether white or Asian girls are moral or good, it's whether underage girls should at all be exploited by men (then again, Asian or not).

Anyway, measuring a girl's morality by whether or not she goes out with different men in public, or having sex before marriage, is quite hypocritical.

One only has to go to any chatroom to find supposedly moral Asian or muslim girls, married or not, are just as willing as white girls to engage in cybersex, or take their clothes out for unknown audiences.

Besides, it's not quite valid to compare the pre-marital behaviour of these two types of girls, seeing that one group are not exactly free to do what they really want, being under great familial pressure (which can involve physical violence) to hold themselves to a 'moral' standaard that they may not really want to adhere to.
-by Gina


I'm of Asian descent and am a Christian.Neither I nor any Christian in India marries cousins.I do come into contact with a lot of people in the wider Asian community.It is the situation that a large majority of the Asians have no respect for white women as they believe all white women have sexual relations with several men during their lifetime but hypocritically the same rule is not applied to men whether white or brown.It is especially the Muslim men who not only have no respect whatsoever for white women but see them as objects for sexual release.This reprehensible attitude is directed to all white women, even married.As far as Muslim men are concerned they are white so 'they are fair game' and second they are Christian so through sex a perverse sense of superiority of the islamic religion is gained.By the way unless very well educated, muslims believe all whites are Christians so each white women 'conquered' is a ' victory' for islam.
-by PV


So why not prosecute them as statutory rapists? Too old-fashioned for New Labour?

If "grooming" for sex is a crime, rather than actual intercourse, then the government is going to have prosecute 90% of the media, marketing and advertising world, and about 60% of academia. As far as I can tell, most modern Western "culture" consists of grooming young people for sex.
-by Ted S

Several points were brought up by comments, such as the fact that abuse of underage girls happens by white Englishmen as well as black ones, immigrants and natives, and so on. It's a horrible crime of evil preying on children for one's personal satisfaction, regardless of the nationality or religion of the perpetrator.

It is, however, a specific problem of many Muslims in the world that view people who are not members of their religion as subcreatures, and the women as prey. It is a sadly common practice in conflicts like Rwanda or Darfur for Muslim males to rape the non-Muslim women to break them, subjugate them, and even to plant a "Muslim baby" in the woman and thus expand their control over the region, as if the baby is compelled to be an Islamic believer by genetics. Sweden has had an increase of rapes, most of which are done by Muslim immigrants.

There's a difficulty in Islamic teaching that this highlights. For some Muslims, especially the more radical sects, Muhammad was more than simply a prophet, he was an infallible prophet, he could do no wrong. His life and actions are thus a perfect example of how not only one may live, but should live. So what he did and said even outside the Koran is revered, and this is the origin of the Hadith. The Hadith is a collection of various stories about and writings of Muhammad other than the Koran. It is there that many of the more regretful doctrines of radical Islam are taken from, such as Muhammad's marriage to and sexual activity with the underaged Fatima. The conquest of Islam under Muhammad included many actions such as the rape of the women in areas taken over, and this is taken as not only tacit approval, but even suggested activity. One Imam even stated that while rape is forbidden, taking a woman as a slave then makes her a wife, so it's not technically rape. Even if the period of slavery is short - say, the time it takes to not rape her.

For other Muslims, the Hadith is at least not as authoritative, the Koran is the book that is to be heeded, and where there are contradictions (and there are quite a few), the more recent, later writing supersedes the previous. Muhammad's later writing tends to be more calm and kind to those under Islamic power because he'd established his power and the more military efforts were less important.

So it is both true and not true to say that for Muslims, it is part of their faith to treat women like trash and non Muslim women like objects to be used at will. Just ask Dr. Phyllis Chesler. Some Muslims believe and even act on this, some do not. That's why you can get anecdotal statements of "I know a Muslim and he's not like that" with others saying "yeah I experienced how they treat white women" and both are technically true.

However, calling these men broadly Asian is a craven politically correct attempt to avoid dealing with their true origin and the actions they are taking. MP Pryor is trying to avoid this problem by smearing all of Asia with the brush that applies only to radical Muslim in part of Asia. She declares Asians are a certain way, when she means Muslim asians are that way - thereby damning Hindu Pakistanis as well as Christian Siberians, Shintoist Japanese, and Sikh Thais.

Why do this? The general attitude of most in British government appears to be a stark horror of appearing racist and a concern that youths of indeterminate origin will become angry and behave like their compatriots in France: riot, burn cars, attack police, and so on. This politically correct nonsense leads the British police to consult Muslim leaders before taking action against Muslims, avoid raids during Ramadan, investigate a news station for daring to air segments that happen to be unfavorable quotes by Muslims after an undercover examination of Mosques, and schools to educate children in Islamic doctrine as a writing exercise (now a dead link at Sun Online).

Part of this concern and activity is out of reaction to a growing movement in England led by the British National Party to more closely regulate immigration, deport troublemaking immigrants, and crack down on Muslim radicalism. The problem is that the BNP was formed by the merging of two white racist groups in the 1960s, and behind the scenes if reports are to be believed, these goals and beliefs have not been abandoned. They just are quiet and a respectable front is presented. White nationalist groups are not exactly rare in Europe, but the BNP is gaining steam rapidly. The British Government apparently is trying to offset their rhetoric by being as careful and generous as possible to non-white subjects, but their actions appear to be pushing people toward the BNP in frustration and annoyance.

The BNP's public face isn't so crazy: they want Muslims to stop being coddled and treated like this, they want Britain to not lose it's cultural identity, they want immigration better controlled. There's nothing racist about any of this, in fact I'd call it wise given the rise of Islam in Europe. What they want to do if given power, however, might be something significantly more sinister.

In the end, playing word games like this in an attempt to avoid upsetting people always ends up upsetting people anyway, just a different group.

*Hat tip to Anna Venger for this story.

England, Muslims, Girls